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Freewheelin'
Joined : 11 Sep 2006
Posts : 137
|  Subject: Remastering  Sat 16 Sep à 2:10 | |
| Dimitre,
I humbly ask this question:
Have you ever considered remastering any of these files that you have made available? Many of them are too quiet, thus needing to be "normalized". We can also add more bass, mid-range and treble or less if needed.
I've got Wavelab and am able to do this if you are interested. Of course, I could provide you with an example if you'd give me the chance.
One example is with the "Wheels of Nature" track coming from 110398-Utopia, Innsbruck, Austria selection. In this track, we have a mono recording, yet it is presented in stereo format (I realize that the DAT recording was probably recorded with two mics, evident by looking at the data of the wave file itself, but its still a mono recording with all respects). In the end, there really isn't any stereo separation.
The problem with this track is that it fades from being centered to left (the first instance of this would be at 4 minutes and 59 seconds into the track). So we have a mono track in stereo that fades from center to left. Why not have me mix it down to full mono so as to eliminate the fading effect (the right channel would fill in the left channel and you wouldn't hear the fading effect). It would be a better track after mixing it down to mono, which it already and essentially is.
One advantage to this is that because it is recorded mono, you could resample it as mono and use half the disc space to create the same product. And in the end, it would sound even better.
What do you think?
Dim, I am committed to this site and all that it has to offer. Let's make a potentially better product!
Respectfully,
Free |
|   | | Dimitri E.B.
Joined : 03 Apr 2006
Posts : 276
Localisation : Paris
| | Subject: Re: Remastering Sat 16 Sep à 13:50 | |
| free,
Im at work now and I know Ill be very busy until septmeber 23rd.
I saw many post in this forum and I cant wait to read them all and answer to you guys.
The idea of remastering is interresting, let's keep it in a corner of our mind until Ill have more time later this month.
Dim.
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| | | | CharlesM
Joined : 07 Jun 2006
Posts : 100
Localisation : Maryland (USA)
| | Subject: Re: Remastering Sat 16 Sep à 19:13 | |
| That's a great idea. If you guys need some manpower I will be happy to participate.
Which kind of software to we need for that ?
Can the picture quality+sound quality of the dvds be improved the same way ?
CM |
| | | | zeruyo
Joined : 20 Apr 2006
Posts : 57
Localisation : Rome
| | Subject: Re: Remastering Sun 17 Sep à 0:49 | |
| Sorry, but i disagree on this idea. I suppose we are all non professional in this matter so the result of the work of each of us might be the result of personal taste only, and the various points of view of a drummer, a bassist, a saxophonist or a listener are too different to guarantee a good and consistent result. Not that I don't trust the taste of all of us, but it's a big risk in my personal opinion.
There is also the fact that the files are in mp3 so they should be recompressed again after remastering (with evident loss of quality) unless dimitri would publish the originals in pcm but I don't think he could do this due to hard disk space and bandwidth problems. |
| | | | Freewheelin'
Joined : 11 Sep 2006
Posts : 137
| | Subject: Re: Remastering Mon 18 Sep à 6:21 | |
| | CharlesM wrote: | That's a great idea. If you guys need some manpower I will be happy to participate.
Which kind of software to we need for that ?
Can the picture quality+sound quality of the dvds be improved the same way ?
CM |
Hey Charles, the software is pretty spendy. I use both Wavelab and Cubase VST. Each set of software ran about 500 bucks and it takes quite a bit of time to get used to using it.
I'm not good with video, but one could remaster the audio and mix it back down with the video. The video quality could not re restored without simply going back to the original. That's a lot of work....I'm sure Dim could verify that!  |
| | | | Freewheelin'
Joined : 11 Sep 2006
Posts : 137
| | Subject: Re: Remastering Mon 18 Sep à 6:33 | |
| | zeruyo wrote: | Sorry, but i disagree on this idea. I suppose we are all non professional in this matter so the result of the work of each of us might be the result of personal taste only, and the various points of view of a drummer, a bassist, a saxophonist or a listener are too different to guarantee a good and consistent result. Not that I don't trust the taste of all of us, but it's a big risk in my personal opinion.
There is also the fact that the files are in mp3 so they should be recompressed again after remastering (with evident loss of quality) unless dimitri would publish the originals in pcm but I don't think he could do this due to hard disk space and bandwidth problems. |
You make good points, but I think I have good answers for them. Actually, I've co-produced and engineered a project or two and have a small recording studio (well, once I set up my mixer board and all that other stuff). Its really quite easy to do once you've played with the software.
True, I'm a drummer, but mixing music in view of an instrument isn't really how audio engineers approach things. We're not actually creating the recording, instead, we're just kind of boosting things here and there, or taking out elements if necessary. Think of it like this; what we would do is essentially the same thing as using an equalizer....its just that we would have a more consistent sound and wouldn't have to use the equalizer as much. Many stereos have a Loudness button, which essentially boosts the bass. Its the same thing as that, but you wouldn't need to use the EQ or Loudness button after the editing was done.
No, it isn't a risk at all because I would download the files and edit them here, while Dim would have the originals.
The fact that the files are in mp3 isn't as much of a concern as you might think. Think of it like this: .bmp pictures are really huge, but if we use a program like winzip to compress them, the size of the file really does decrease. When we unzip, or uncompress the .bmp pictures from winzip, the full file remains the same in its size and quality. Yes, turning .wav files into .mp3 files does strip bass and treble depending on the ripping settings, but after uncompressing them and then re-compressing them does not strip or rob any more of the quality. It's the same thing with the pictures.
Just something to think about. I'm going to be super busy anyway, so it would probably never happen unless Dim really wanted to do it. I'd do it if it were up to me, but I'm funny like that.  |
| | | | CharlesM
Joined : 07 Jun 2006
Posts : 100
Localisation : Maryland (USA)
| | Subject: Re: Remastering Thu 21 Sep à 2:51 | |
| | zeruyo wrote: | Sorry, but i disagree on this idea. I suppose we are all non professional in this matter so the result of the work of each of us might be the result of personal taste only, and the various points of view of a drummer, a bassist, a saxophonist or a listener are too different to guarantee a good and consistent result. Not that I don't trust the taste of all of us, but it's a big risk in my personal opinion.
There is also the fact that the files are in mp3 so they should be recompressed again after remastering (with evident loss of quality) unless dimitri would publish the originals in pcm but I don't think he could do this due to hard disk space and bandwidth problems. |
You are probably right. I know next to nothing when it comes to remastering and all that. I was just humbly asking the question man.
And let me add this forcefully. My question was not meant to discredit Dimitri's works which is really impressive. And I have enjoyed the dvds including the one I mentioned above ( I don't know how many times I have watched only that one concert) so much that I am so grateful.
CM |
| | | | Freewheelin'
Joined : 11 Sep 2006
Posts : 137
| | Subject: Re: Remastering Mon 25 Sep à 6:24 | |
| If you guys have equalizers and boosters and use them, its the same thing. You just wouldn't need to adjust your equalizers per track.
What I'm talking about completely transcends drums, piano, sax or whatever....this has nothing to do with being a musician. What you do is find a model sound and you attempt to emulate that sound. For example, I created a 14 song CD from several of Coleman's CDs. I used the sound quality of Black Science as my model, specifically using The X-Format and Turbulence. In otherwords, I did nothing to the sound quality of those two Black Science tracks, yet made treble, mid-range and bass adujustments to all of the other tracks to meet the sound quality of Black Science as best as I could. You'd be surprised....they are all at the same volume and all songs/tracks essentially sound as though you were listening to an actual CD release.
I don't need to defend this idea anymore; I'll let my work prove its case. PM me with your address and I'll mail a copy of my work to you. |
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