jibril
Joined : 08 Apr 2006
Posts : 21
|  Subject: Re: Extensive new interview with Steve  Mon 7 Apr à 16:32 | |
| Ok sorry in English :
Honestly I think that none of them can rise at the level of "Black Science" (or "Drop Kick", another very advanced album), neither in a composition point of view nor in the collectif playing.
I love this french guys like individual players (they are often exciting) but sorry, about the collectif playing, the producing, the artistic vision, they are too shy for me, with a déjà-vu feeling, They are bored, without any groove, sad and so old-fashioned...
Also, I think that they have some difficulties to write good melodies, they go always in too abstractive melodic lines. Perhaps it's a residue of the contempt of the figurative posted in all the contemporaries academics "nobles arts" ?
But you can listen all of them on myspace and make your own opinion... |
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CharlesM
Joined : 07 Jun 2006
Posts : 100
Localisation : Maryland (USA)
| | Subject: Re: Extensive new interview with Steve Tue 8 Apr à 4:29 | |
| To get back on some of the stuff covered in the inteview.
Sometimes I wonder how contemporary classical music, people like Boulez or Xenakis, which music is really difficult to access for the non-initiated, maintain a healthy scene. I believe they don't have as much problem recording as some jazz artists. Of course they do have a lot of support from the French State.
I think Steve is closer to the contemporary classical music (it is not by chance that he's recorded at IRCAM - temple of contemporary classical music) scene than he his to jazz in the Charlie Parker tradition. The music becomes more about the compositions than about the performance. |
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jibril
Joined : 08 Apr 2006
Posts : 21
| | Subject: Re: Extensive new interview with Steve Tue 8 Apr à 16:20 | |
| CharlesM you're right in a aesthetic point. But the music like Boulez or Zenakis is'nt improvised (solo or collective improvisation). Also, they are more solo-scientists than musician in the european classical tradition (from Bach-Mozart-Ravel-Messiaen). Like Shoenberg, I think they want to create a new musical concept / standard. It's also a political and ethnological musical research, very avant-gardist but very hard for our ears !!
When I listen Steve, I can heard also the Blues feeling, James Brown, Bird-Trane and all the American popular stuff...Even in a disque like "Weaving Symbolic"... |
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Manfred
Joined : 04 Apr 2006
Posts : 155
Localisation : Austria/Europe
| | Subject: Re: Extensive new interview with Steve Wed 9 Apr à 21:13 | |
| | jibril wrote: | | ...Even in a disque like "Weaving Symbolic"... |
Yes! I agree! – But mostly I listen to live-recordings from Dim’s archives and a lot of them are very “groovy” – for example the Fnac-2006-recording (for example at the end where the Sonny Rollins composition Strode Rode is used) or the Rhythm Edition 2007 with the “Thunder Brothers” (as Coleman calls the 2 great drummers).
I read that Charlie Parker asked the composer Edgar Varese to teach him because he wanted to extend his music into this European direction. But it didn’t happen. I think: Coleman is able to do that and he does it very well without losing his groove. But Coleman extends his music into other directions too: into an “African” direction; some elements sound “Oriental” to me; with Kokayi there are strong “Black Music”-elements … etc. … etc..
I think: His music is very multi-directional and the only possibility to get a true impression of his vast spectrum is to listen to the recordings in Dim’s archives. There I can find a lot of great Groove. I really like Coleman’s recent music. It’s a really great band. |
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